rofl, dream on mate.

voted
not enough quakers there to win anything though

also: got your mail, prepare for spam!

Why on earth would I vote for this site, when SK and ESportsPress.com has everything PLUS Quake?

why would you vote for any site?

yeah right, sk got such a great quake section
obv vote for esr if your a quaker

This is an e-sports award, not a Quake award.

Since the only game with tournaments is Starcraft, only Team Liquid qualifies.

Yeah, you know, since CS and WC3 have zero tournaments.

Sometimes you're too much.

You have 1 tournament, and iffy future support. They qualify about as much as chess boxing.

CS has, and will, continue to have many events. ESL is running its Masters event, KODE5 has their tournaments and qualifiers, also WCG has the worldwide tournament. Dreamhack too. Not to mention things like CEVO online, ESL online, and ESEA online.

You should learn to count.

A minor tournament does not count. Ignorance won't stop them from dying out, either.

No, only one game can even remotely be called a "sport", and it's Starcraft.

So let me get this straight.

ESL
WCG
Dreamhack
KODE5

Are minor?

Why do you say ridiculous things?

When you actually have to pay bills, you'll understand. I'm sure you consider a job at McDonalds a "career."

So things are done differently in North America. The teams pay the players money from their sponsors for salary. They also win more money.

All of which has nothing to do with the tournaments. You said there were no tournaments for CS. You are wrong.

Don't drag this on and on like you do everything else.

sif I wouldn't reply to something because you asked me to. Playing poker in your garage with a few friends does not make you a professional poker player, even if there is money on the line. These "tournaments" leave them as hobbyists, as best.

There are many CS teams competing at a high level for thousands of dollars in cash prizes, and receiving salary from their respected teams.

How is this not a professional sport again?

Oh man, thousands of dollars! Between a team, you'd be pulling in hundreds of them! Hell, you might even be able to afford an apartment if you apply for state assistance!

rofl, give me a break. Even WITH sponsorship, gamers outside korea are lucky to be pulling minimum wage.

So by your opinion, if it's not Starcraft, it's not professional.

Thanks.

I said Starcraft was the CLOSEST thing to a sport. While many of the top players are easily making it by, it should really be extended to more players to make it truly viable. Lesser players have little incentive to improve on their position against big names since it's still somewhat of a tightrope walk.

However, they DO at least have a sustainable model. Anyone who is betting on a future in CS/WC3 is in for quite the let-down.

I agree with Vedic here Gillz, no matter how much bills are for these people in the states I highly doubt their 'earnings' via a CS team salary would be much more than enough to meet minimal levels of subsistence.

And as Vedic said most likely on top of a generous welfare payment, which given the age of most of these people would not amount to much. If you could find me proof that each member of a CS team receives at least $1600 a month, I will have proof enough to maybe wonder if what you say is perhaps plausible.

Whether or not CS is a professional sport is completely irrelevant to what you were discussing. Vedic's only trying to change the subject to "e-sports as a career" and drag you into this different debate because his initial statement is, as usual, utterly wrong.
Whether tournaments have prize purses sufficiently big to allow players to make a sustainable living off e-sports has absolutely nothing to do with what he originally said, which is that other games than Starcraft have no tournaments and that there can therefore be no legitimate coverage for these games. CS for example does have a great number of tournaments, like you said, regardless of the fact that the prize purses aren't as big as what can be found for tennis, football etc.
These tournaments see the best players/teams in the world compete against each other, and allow for coverage by websites, which is the only relevant element. The quality of these coverages is what being judged here and obviously not the prize purses of the tournaments :)

edit: he's also deliberately amalgamating the terms "e-sports" and "sports", both in his replies to you and to me, to make it sound like only Starcraft qualifies as an e-sport because it could qualify as a sport according to him, while it's obvious the two terms cover different realities :)

His argument was that it was an "e-sports award", in which case, the only game even remotely close to a sport would be starcraft. Come out from behind the crate and pay attention.

only Team Liquid qualifies

Team liquid is far from being the only Starcraft site.

True, but I can't think of any that offer remotely as much coverage.

Fomos? Gosugamers? SC2GG? ICCUP?

Compared with the daily coverage of proleague/msl/osl/gom on TL? Granted, they're still good, but I don't think any of them keep up with the scene nearly as much.

Fomos has more coverage of those than Team Liquid. For example, yesterday Team Liquid had 1 news post in total, Fomos had 25 detailed news reports about the Korean scene. In terms of coverage of the Korean scene, it is simply leagues ahead of Team Liquid.

I don't really know much about Fomos since I don't know Korean.

it is a public vote, so its just a vote for "what site do u like best"

Did I write "VOTE FOR ESR" somewhere?

Haha, no, but you kind of implied it judging by what I see in the picture.

Just wondered what ESR was doing in that list

SK is a chinese website like gotfag

Out of all countless things you could have done this very second, you chosen above all those to visit this site. Hence, it is likely doing something right.

done, I like esr and I think it's a great thing that it is basically run by its users.

I agree

should make an award for who fucked up the most.

Though I think 3drealms would take the cake in that one.

fucking hell, have you just set yourself up for a joke? (c) Liam

(even liam has some moments)

fucking hell, have you just set yourself up for a joke? (c) Liam

(even liam has some moments)

i can't physically be more disappointed than this.

but you didn't set yourself up for a joke this time. Could have gotten a nice chain going :(

But of course it won't be a chain until it has a link posting. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wot you did it again? :D

Leave this site. Now.

I can't :(

Indeed :(

What a slap in the face not having a Starcraft award at least. (Although, the game being so big in Korea, I am sure they have awards, so there isn't really a necessity to have one in this Event).

And before you say anything, no, I think Quake does not deserve one whatsoever

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Good job smart ass. The whole thing is organized by ESL.

http://www.esports-award.org/home/news/93362/


hmmm :/

lol

ahhaha, those fomos.kr peeps must suck soo bad :D

wth? fragbite and gotfrag should be up there in the top 10 :/